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Waiting to report Losses and the proper way to do so. - 9/11/2008 9:52:57 AM

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I know, some people have to wait and report their losses because of various reasons (no laptop, no wireless internet, ect). a problem occurs when the losses are reported by people who wait to report because they are climbing the ladder without reporting at the time of the matches. In speaking to Jess, he said his method is as follows :

Report all losses to the person ranked highest on the ladder 1st, then the next highest rank, all losses to them, ect.

When reporting in the order the games are played, you are not getting a true read on where you should be on the ladder. Example, and stay with me here.

Tim (#1) playes Paul (#2) and James (#3) in a ladder match. assuming Tim (#1) is reporting later, if Tim finishes last, Paul in 2nd and James in 1st, the ladder should read:

James
Paul
Tim

But with reporting the order of the games, the ladder could instead read:

Tim
James
Paul

I would like to see this implemented as the right way to report izzles to the ladder in the near future. With the multiplayer being a factor in 09, there will be a lot of reporting going on at once and this is the best way IMO to keep things straight.

Thoughts or comments welcome.

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RE: Waiting to report Losses and the proper way to do so. - 9/11/2008 9:59:57 AM

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Whenever possible, that is the correct way to do it and ensures ladder integrity.

Also, if you are reporting a bunch of matches at one time, for whatever reason, you should always try to report them in the order in which they took place.

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RE: Waiting to report Losses and the proper way to do so. - 9/11/2008 10:27:12 AM

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I think this is making the loss reporting process even more cumbersome and will not necessarily ensure "ladder integrity."

You could easily have a situation where several players are reporting at about the same time, which will mean the ladder order changes while you are reporting.

Or you could have a situation where as happened the other night, I had played several games with Emms, Gr8 and Area--at the end of the night I tallied up the losses to each, but mistakenly reported an extra loss to Gr8---in the end, Emms did not take over the #1 slot--but remained went from #3 to #2 (over Gr8). I think that it is quite possible for similar variances in when losses get reported, having various effects on how the ladder shapes up--due to the fact that we are all playing so many muti-player games.

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RE: Waiting to report Losses and the proper way to do so. - 9/11/2008 10:29:56 AM

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I'm down with Emms & E's method. However, I think that reporting 2-3 losses for a single match is crazy. Not going to make any more of a stink about, just going to avoid multiplayer TGV matches. No biggie.

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RE: Waiting to report Losses and the proper way to do so. - 9/11/2008 10:35:36 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: dendo x

I think this is making the loss reporting process even more cumbersome and will not necessarily ensure "ladder integrity."

I agree D, it's hard enough to keep track of all the games. We have always had a day to report for people like me who don't have a computer beside them. If you make more rules about reporting after every match it will become a detriment to the ladder and discourage play.

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RE: Waiting to report Losses and the proper way to do so. - 9/11/2008 10:37:30 AM

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Nothing is full-proof, but, if done correctly it's pretty close. In your case, if I remember right, you were #1 and Emss/Gr8 were 2/3. You reported several matches in a row and did it in a manner that kept you at #1. If you would have reported the first loss to the #2 ranked person then the ranks would have been as they should and reporting an extra loss by mistake would not have mattered. If you're 1 and playing 2 and 3 you shouldn't report to 3, then to 2, then to 3, then to 2. That keeps you in #1 while 2 and 3 just shuffle back and forth.

Not trying to insinuate that was your intention, it's just a perfect example of what we're talking about.

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RE: Waiting to report Losses and the proper way to do so. - 9/11/2008 10:38:40 AM

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...Also,...if I end up playing a lot of games in the course of an evening (aka a lot of losses), it is also easier to just tally up the number of losses to each player since you have that person's ladder ID # handy at that moment, then go down to the next person.

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RE: Waiting to report Losses and the proper way to do so. - 9/11/2008 10:42:59 AM

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quote:

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Nothing is full-proof, but, if done correctly it's pretty close. In your case, if I remember right, you were #1 and Emss/Gr8 were 2/3. You reported several matches in a row and did it in a manner that kept you at #1. If you would have reported the first loss to the #2 ranked person then the ranks would have been as they should and reporting an extra loss by mistake would not have mattered. If you're 1 and playing 2 and 3 you shouldn't report to 3, then to 2, then to 3, then to 2. That keeps you in #1 while 2 and 3 just shuffle back and forth.

Not trying to insinuate that was your intention, it's just a perfect example of what we're talking about.

...not sure---if that was the case exactly or not---I believe that by adding in the extra loss to gr8---he jumped over Emms--preventing Emms from leapfrogging me to #1 when I correctly reported my last loss to Emms.

Anyways---I'll probably need to take a calculus and statistics course to keep up with all of this

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RE: Waiting to report Losses and the proper way to do so. - 9/11/2008 10:43:15 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: IRISH004

quote:

ORIGINAL: dendo x

I think this is making the loss reporting process even more cumbersome and will not necessarily ensure "ladder integrity."

I agree D, it's hard enough to keep track of all the games. We have always had a day to report for people like me who don't have a computer beside them. If you make more rules about reporting after every match it will become a detriment to the ladder and discourage play.

No one said anything about making anyone report after every match...it's just not feasible. In a perfect world, yes, that's how things would be but we all know the words to that song.

The 24 hour rule is still the rule.

Having fun should be the most important thing, but, there isn't much of a point in having a ladder if it's not being used properly. Some people could care less about ladder rank while others enjoy the competing aspect of it. Both opinions are valid and will continue to be embraced here.

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RE: Waiting to report Losses and the proper way to do so. - 9/11/2008 10:48:41 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: dendo x

quote:

ORIGINAL: ER1CKSON

Nothing is full-proof, but, if done correctly it's pretty close. In your case, if I remember right, you were #1 and Emss/Gr8 were 2/3. You reported several matches in a row and did it in a manner that kept you at #1. If you would have reported the first loss to the #2 ranked person then the ranks would have been as they should and reporting an extra loss by mistake would not have mattered. If you're 1 and playing 2 and 3 you shouldn't report to 3, then to 2, then to 3, then to 2. That keeps you in #1 while 2 and 3 just shuffle back and forth.

Not trying to insinuate that was your intention, it's just a perfect example of what we're talking about.

...not sure---if that was the case exactly or not---I believe that by adding in the extra loss to gr8---he jumped over Emms--preventing Emms from leapfrogging me to #1 when I correctly reported my last loss to Emms.

Anyways---I'll probably need to take a calculus and statistics course to keep up with all of this

If Emms was #1 at the time of your extra report (as he should have been) to Nate there is no way Nate could have jumped ahead of Emms. Your first loss is where you went wrong...you reported to #3 first instead of #2. Had you reported to #2, they would have went to #1 and there is no way they could have been leapfrogged by you reporting a loss to anyone else (regardless of rank).

This isn't rocket science fellas, and you're a smart guy Dennis...I'm sure you'll figure it out. But, we're always here if you have a question.

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RE: Waiting to report Losses and the proper way to do so. - 9/11/2008 11:06:03 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: dendo x

...Also,...if I end up playing a lot of games in the course of an evening (aka a lot of losses), it is also easier to just tally up the number of losses to each player since you have that person's ladder ID # handy at that moment, then go down to the next person.

I'm changing my mind here. I had to report 17 losses one night. (I played about 5 nine hole games

). I reported them exactly as Dendo described. Reported 3 in a row to 1 guy, 2 in a row for another, 4 for the next, etc. No chance I was could keep in mind who won when, in what order, and who's ranked where, etc. But I'm all for following Emms & E's method when I don't have to report double digit losses.

I thought I was doing good just writing down how many losses to report to each person.

*I often can't report losses until the end of the night, if you couldn't tell.

Note: Just throwing out my opinion, feel free to do the same thing with it.

edit: figured out a solution for the issue's I've mentioned in this thread. I'm good to go now.

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RE: Waiting to report Losses and the proper way to do so. - 9/11/2008 11:19:12 AM

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We don't expect anyone to memorize the order of play in a 17 game marathon.

I think too much is being made of this so I'm going to try and break it down.

Report your losses in a timely manner.
If you can, report them in the proper order.

That's pretty simple, eh? It's about having fun. BUT, there have been instances where people have intentionally reported in a way so they could preserve there ladder rank. This was years ago and it happens very rarely, but, when it does its something we take seriously.

I don't think anyone has been doing that recently, certainly not intentionally...so, no one has anything to worry about. Just play the game and have fun. The ladder is only there to encourage play and enhance the overall experience. It's not a life or death ranking system that we rule with an Iron fist.

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RE: Waiting to report Losses and the proper way to do so. - 9/11/2008 11:22:12 AM

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There are always going to be some issues with any way of keeping a ladder. The key is that everyone has to make a good faith effort to report losses as close to when they occured as possible. I have reported losses late and reported losses in bunches also. One thing is when you are close to the top we need to realize that reporting can make a difference according to whom you play and whoever else is playing.

Some people dont worry about the ladder and some people do, just as E$ said there is nothing wrong with either just different opinions.

We need to understand that and try to be as consistent as we can.

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RE: Waiting to report Losses and the proper way to do so. - 9/11/2008 12:08:21 PM

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yea I am not one to cry about it, but for fairness and before it comes up again, I wanted to put it out there. Reporting Izzles sucks in general, but there should be a method to the madness to ensure integrity.

Emms

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RE: Waiting to report Losses and the proper way to do so. - 9/11/2008 12:15:19 PM

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im just reporting losses directly atfer each game from now on. i dont want to put a ton of thought into something that is supposed to be mindless fun

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RE: Waiting to report Losses and the proper way to do so. - 9/11/2008 1:09:25 PM

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Problem solved, I'm just not going to lose anymore so i don't have to report anything.

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RE: Waiting to report Losses and the proper way to do so. - 9/11/2008 1:40:28 PM

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RE: Waiting to report Losses and the proper way to do so. - 9/11/2008 1:52:01 PM

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Problem solved, I'm just not going to lose anymore so i don't have to report anything.

I like this idea

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RE: Waiting to report Losses and the proper way to do so. - 9/11/2008 2:18:36 PM

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That's a philosophy I've always subscribed too.

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RE: Waiting to report Losses and the proper way to do so. - 9/11/2008 5:37:27 PM

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I have allways and still do think multiplayer games with 3 or 4rsomes should only haqve the winner receiving ladder wins and thats it.I think its not a win if you finnish 2cnd or 3rd and you ge a win even though you are still reporting a loss.I have allways felt this way and allways will.Thats one reason why I dont like to play thfoursomes on the ladder.That and the fact I loose all the time on this new version.

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